Episode 4

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4th Jun 2026

Ep. 4 | Shots Fired, Free Speech Limits, and the Socialism Debate

Episode 4 was recorded April 30, 2025 and published May 27, 2025.

What we cover:

The White House Correspondents' Dinner shooting (April 25, 2025) at the Washington Hilton. Suspect Cole Thomas Allen, 31, of Torrance, California, was apprehended at the scene and charged in federal court with attempting to assassinate the president. A Secret Service officer was struck but protected by a bulletproof vest. No one was killed. This was Trump's first Correspondents' Dinner as a sitting president, having skipped all four years of his first term and the first dinner of his second.

The Butler, Pennsylvania shooting from 2024 and ongoing questions about what the government has and has not disclosed, including the cremation of shooter Thomas Crooks approximately 10 days after the shooting, the FBI closing the investigation in November 2025 with no determined motive, and Tucker Carlson's November 2025 investigation claiming Crooks had a larger online footprint than initially reported.

The Charlie Kirk shooting: a defense court filing from March 27 cited an ATF report stating the bureau was unable to identify the bullet recovered at autopsy as having been fired from the rifle tied to defendant Tyler Robinson. The preliminary hearing was pushed from May 18 to July 6 through 10.

Minocqua Brewing Company owner Kirk Bangstad and his "Free Beer Day" posts. Bangstad was arrested in October 2024 on criminal defamation charges (dismissed), arrested again in June 2025 for harassment, disorderly conduct, and bail jumping (harassment and bail jumping dropped, convicted on disorderly conduct on a no contest plea), and interviewed by the FBI and Secret Service over posts about Trump. He announced a run for Wisconsin governor in the Democratic primary in early May 2026, two days after the FBI visit.

The connection between Bangstad and Rebecca Cook, who is running against Republican Congressman Derek Van Orden in Wisconsin's 3rd District: Cook previously worked as a campaign operative and fundraiser for Bangstad.

The debate over European free speech laws, including Germany's Basic Law Article 5 and the European Convention on Human Rights Article 10. European countries do have free expression protections, with broader carve-outs around hate speech, Holocaust denial, and incitement than the US has.

The UK Tobacco and Vapes Act, which received Royal assent on April 29, 2025, one day before this episode was recorded. The generational ban applies to anyone born on or after January 1, 2009 and penalizes retailers, not buyers.

Drug legalization, harm reduction, and the argument for safe consumption spaces. The case of Wisconsin's lack of medical or recreational marijuana access.

Marijuana rescheduling: a DEA final order moved FDA-approved marijuana drug products and state medical licensed marijuana from Schedule 1 to Schedule 3, effective April 28, 2025. The hemp loophole was closed by the Continuing Appropriations Act of 2026.

The Nazi economy debate: whether the Third Reich was socialist in any meaningful sense. The mainstream historical view is that the "socialist" label was a populist recruitment tool, the regime crushed actual socialists and trade unions, and historians generally describe the Nazi economy as a war economy or authoritarian capitalism rather than socialism. The Nazis also privatized a number of state-owned firms in the mid-1930s.

Fiat currency versus the gold standard. The US closed the gold window in August 1971.

The 2022 Paria diving disaster at the Paria Fuel Trading Company facility in Trinidad and Tobago, in which five divers were pulled into a 30-inch pipeline and four died. Survivor Christopher Budrum crawled through the pipeline for nearly three hours.

The Comey "8647" Instagram post, and Watts v. United States (1969), in which the Supreme Court ruled that political hyperbole is not a true threat. The case involved a man at an anti-war rally saying he wanted President Lyndon B. Johnson in his rifle sights.

Joseph McCarthy, Republican US Senator from Wisconsin, and the origins of the term McCarthyism.

The Master Plan podcast.

Next episode: A deep dive on rights, including why Tyler does not believe housing or healthcare qualify as rights under his framework.

Transcript

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hey and welcome back to Schindler's Gist

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I'm Martha Jean

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and later you'll see me chatting with my co host

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Tyler Clouth this is episode four

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and we recorded this on April 30th which was

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five days after the shooting

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at the White House Correspondence Dinner

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so we talk about that in the show now

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I had a lot of stuff going on I moved

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from one place to the

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to the next and I haven't published these um

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podcast in a while

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so it is now May 27th almost a month since we last

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recorded this that I'm actually

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editing this and hopefully uploading it

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um letting you guys see it

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so that means a lot of time has passed so I just want to remind you of

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what the facts were about this correspondence dinner

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the shooting happened at the Washington Hilton

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the suspect

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is a 31 year old man from Torrance California named

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Cole Thomas Allen and he was apprehended at the scene

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and has been charged in federal court

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with attempting to assassinate the president

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no one was killed though a

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Secret Service officer was struck by a round but

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their bulletproof vest absorbed it

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something kind of interesting is this was Trump's

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first correspondence dinner as a sitting president he

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attended it twice before as a private citizen

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in 2011 and 2015

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but he skipped all four years of his first term

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and the first dinner of his second term

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so

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one of those times that he attended

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the correspondence dinner as a private citizen

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I believe was when he was made fun of or teased

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by Barack

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Obama and that's supposed to be one of the reasons

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supposedly um why he

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decided to become president was some sort of revenge

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um anger that Barack Obama won

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you know there's a lot of discussion about that I don't

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I don't know if that's the case but I do think it's kind of

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interesting

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Tyler and I also talked about the Charlie Kirk shooting

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from last September and the Butler

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Pennsylvania shooting from 2024

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so I'll come back at the end with a little more

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context about some of the specifics that we got into so

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on with the show

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are you tired of profitable corporations

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getting subsidies your small business never could

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are you sick of bailouts

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for companies that took bad risks

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with other people's money

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are you tired of picking up the check for billion

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dollar companies

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then we're on the same side

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when profitable companies get tax breaks and subsidies

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somebody wrote that check you did

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next time a politician

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brags about bringing in business

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ask who's actually paying for it

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demand accountability

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it's the one thing we can all get behind

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Schindler's gist is brought to you by the simple

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idea that government shouldn't pick winners paid

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for by people who are frankly a little tired of this

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yeah so so how would you do it so show me so

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show me an idea that you might have so

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like it'd be like a

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like welcome back everybody this

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shit I'm not fucking it up already

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hahaha

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I'm leaving that in when I edit it

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yep like welcome back everybody to shimlars

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just this episode we are recording on 4 32,026 and

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we're gonna do a quick recap of our last episode

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and we have our host MJ right there you're a co host

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oh yeah

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yup see

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but something like that I

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like that I like that I'll I'll

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I'll I'll marinate on it

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it's so funny the things that will make me feel shy and the things that don't

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uh huh well same with me being like an introverted

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person yeah and what not

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yeah okay I like that idea alright so then um so

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we let's go over last last

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not week's show but the last show we did which was

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I had it was me and my friend and guest Nick Tigis um

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because Tyler was

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gallivanting at the beach with his family having fun

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without us

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yes we were and it was beautiful

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yeah I bet

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did you get to see any of the museums I told you about

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or did y'all

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no we barely left the key I think we left the key yeah

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I don't know but we saw dolphins

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and stingrays awesome and beautiful sunsets

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I don't know if I've ever seen a stingray

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in real life except in a aquarium

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like out yeah

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I missed it Lindsay and Lindsay and trip saw it oh

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earlier earlier in the

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morning I was swimming up almost on shore

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uh huh

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and she'd she'd never seen

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one in the ocean

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there and she's been going there her whole life

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that's cool that's cool yeah

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yep that's what that's what we were doing

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that's why there is a big break

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and then I was moving

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yep yep now we have to all get back to real world

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mm hmm and our real real

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challenging jobs is doing podcasts very

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hard talking into a microphone

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uh huh

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alright so you guys

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think about it what were your thoughts

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I mean

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so like I mean I don't think it's

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surprising that I didn't agree with a ton

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okay

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well I'm curious about where you did what

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cause I feel like some of the things I don't

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remember us having extremely strong opinions

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about well I mean I had extremely strong opinions

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but yeah tell me tell me tell me

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well so like the whole European leftist thing

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is a big no

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go in the USA

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why not a fan uh cause I think their system is awful

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why why

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because of they they they

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the they don't have the rights we have for one

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there there is no constitution in any country

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like the one that we have no country in Europe

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uh has free speech

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they do have much more limitations on

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speech but I would argue that our

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that's being eroded really badly here it

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is being eroded

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and it's something that we should fight for

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seeing as it is the First Amendment

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the first one that that our founders

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thought was the most important

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the association

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of money with speech is also problematic

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it can be but speech in general

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where and that's in Europe it is it's bad

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all the Western European countries it it

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I don't want to live under that system

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I don't want to live under the system in like Germany

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where you can post something on the internet

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that the government thinks is racist

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and they can arrest you

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which is happening

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I don't like the European leftist

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I don't I don't like the massive taxation

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I don't I don't think that's the the the answer

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to our problems especially in America we don't

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our culture is not that where we

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broke free for a reason

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and it was to not be that

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well the system that we broke

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free from was very different from what I think most

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modern European countries run on

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you know we literally had crazy King George

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who was just absolutely batshit honestly more similar

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he's been compared to Trump

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you know with with all of the

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self dealing and and abuse of power and the way that

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the way that people were taxed

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you know without having any say in what happened to them

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I mean I can see that but again

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we at least have a Constitution

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where we can take that back if we can get anybody

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that's not spineless into our Congress

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anybody literally fucking anybody but goddamn

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we have the

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we have the structure there it's it's it's there

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whereas in like

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Europe they don't like they don't have the structure

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like so it it doesn't really matter

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matter like they they are

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they don't they they can't argue anything

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on the 1st amendment rights

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they can't argue anything

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on their their their freedom of speech

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cause they don't have it we can still

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so even though things are being eroded like

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as opposed to with

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like they would have to amend all of their laws

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to allow

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this stuff and I mean I don't know if you just saw

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in the UK they've just they've banned

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cigarette smoking for anybody born after 2008 or 2009

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uh huh forever

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anybody born after after that date

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you're never allowed to buy a tobacco or nicotine

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product you

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smoke period

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no no Nick no smoke no vape no dip

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anything tobacco that's a great way

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to make people really want to do it yeah

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and it's a great way to create a black market yeah

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this this experiment has been run this

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experiment has been run we know what's gonna happen

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it's prohibition yeah it's prohibition

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on and and it's only a half prohibition

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because everybody up into that day

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can still legally go to stores and purchase

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that's really really weird

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I'm not a smoker I don't use any I don't

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nicotine products at all but but

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you're not harming anybody else if you're

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smoking a cigarette especially

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with all the laws that are in place

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where you can and can't

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smoke and all this like already and

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other than vaping

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the use of nicotine products has gone way down

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yeah just do the public education cause that's the way

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that's the best way to

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teach people to not do things that are harmful for them

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and I think the fact that it's easier to get other

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mind altering substances too like um

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weed and other stuff

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that probably helps too there's other ways to self

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medicate

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legality in the UK

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all the time because I know like

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based on what I've seen on shows

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maybe that's something we can look into and do like a fact

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check after this

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yeah yeah I'd be I'd be curious

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I don't not sure on that but I mean if they're gonna ban

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cigarettes I'm sure they'll ban all of that too

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also you know the if there's

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there's been a lot said about how if we discovered

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if alcohol had never been discovered

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we would not make it a legal substance to consume

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because it's so toxic

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tend to allow

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like in the US things tend to be presumed okay until

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there's

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so much evidence that it's not that they have to take

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do something

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cause they're now liable for killing people

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marijuana is still federally illegal even though

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it's way less harmful the substance than alcohol no

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did say he was gonna change

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what kind of scheduled drug it was

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it just it just like finally went through okay but

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it's still it's

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you just like you

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banking reasons

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I figured this would be the case like it's on some

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cannabis classifications

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and not others so there's confusion

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about it so whatever

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loophole that allowed

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different structures of marijuana

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and and where you yeah

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instead of the regular

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so they got rid of that which means like in every city

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you are going to shut down tons of local businesses

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who we're helping but we're not helping

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we're not helping

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people that that want an alternative to opiates

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for pain relief or any

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like Wisconsin has no legal medicinal nothing

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that are legal medicinal and and recreational

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and Wisconsin refuses

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do anything else than pharmaceuticals

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smoking a little pot than taking opioids

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yeah and I mean the science

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shows that evidence like you can you can see

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watching people do those drugs if you know anybody

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who ever has done anything

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even if you absolutely

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chocolate milk only um

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that's a that's a shout out to I think Mormons

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chocolate milk days at um is it Brigham

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leftist thing kind of goes in this direction

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what people want in America that Medicare for all

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the problem is the government

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gets to then deem like this is bad for you

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what they I mean they

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they said like like we don't want to pay the costs

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of the healthcare issues from smoking

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this is why I sometimes have trouble putting myself

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where you can go and drink and you can get drunk at the bar

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but it is illegal to drive your car home you know

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which I like you know I like I like the ability

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for there to be some sort of accountability um

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even though a lot of times the accountabilities can be

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abused too but if done correctly I think they can

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help people not screw up but if if it if

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doing heroin was legal if

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maybe you pay more

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to have your vitals monitored so that if anything

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um I don't know like it's it's just

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no no you can't do it so then you're doing

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you know questionable needles

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you know it's just it's all it all gets

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bad after that but if you have

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some place where it's nice and clean

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issue that the actual drug causes you know

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yeah exactly

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no I agree with you 100% on that like I said you could even

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like for even for heroin like if you went to the store

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and could buy it and it was regulated

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under some at least minimal like safety standard

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um you know that you're getting something

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safe it's not laced with fentanyl

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yes yes and that's a big deal too you

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know how to use it safely so you can

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get it and go do it at home

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like and most likely you're gonna be fine I'm like I'm not saying that we

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should all the people should be going out and doing

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hair should all be doing hair when

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that's the lesson not necessarily a great choice

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you know it's people's choice as long as you're not harming

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anybody right and

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that's you know like that like

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it's not my I'm I'm not your your dad I don't need

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I don't get to tell you what you can and can't do like and

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yeah because there are a ton of drugs that

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are like that that that

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that we can do that a lot of people wouldn't choose to do because they look at the cost

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benefits and they say I don't want to do that like um

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peptides peptides are the new hotness um yep

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in the market and and they say a lot of the reason the

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reason for that is people have gotten

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used because of the GLP ones they've gotten used to

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shooting themselves with needles

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when ordinarily that would feel creepy

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and so now there's a whole market um you order

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it's not FDA approved but they still

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you can sell it you can buy it you can

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and and some people are going to want to do that

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and want to use them and some people are going to not

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yeah and and you know OK

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fine you know we can do that

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but I think I think a big problem is the government

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as a way to make money as a way to protect industries

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um when I think if you are gonna do it it truly

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should be because you look at this and you're like

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this is going to be better

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for everyone in society period

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and this is why we're doing it not

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oh it would make a lot of money

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a lot more money for kind of like

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in areas where um you have um

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blue um

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blue law counties where you

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uh where they're dry counties a lot of times

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there's for example in Arkansas there was

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a giant liquor store right on the border

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of the County Line and everyone

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knew that kids from the nearby college

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in Conway Arkansas

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would drive over late at night after having

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been drinking get more booze

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drive back there were a ton of accidents

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Duis and stuff all on this road

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and one of the biggest proponents

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of keeping the county dry were the people who had

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stakes in that liquor store

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because if it were if if you could buy alcohol freely

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throughout that county they wouldn't have

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the chokehold on the market there that they had

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you know

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so yeah I can I can see that you wouldn't have liked that and then you probably

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wouldn't have liked the

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thing that I said about the um

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the or the thing that we both talked about the paradox

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of tolerance

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yes yes very anti libertarian

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yeah I don't agree with it at all

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so

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I what what do we do but but but

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the history has shown

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that it seems to be correct if you allow you know part

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supposedly part of the reason why we're having

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um a resurgence in more open neo Nazism is because

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it's allowed it's allowed to propagate those ideas I

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I disagree I disagree with the uh

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with where you end on that so like

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it's not because the ideas

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are allowed to be propagated

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which again is the First Amendment isn't

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there to protect speech we all love

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that's easy nobody needs nobody needs

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nobody needs Protection to say things that everybody

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agrees with yeah

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you need Protection to be able to say

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things that people disagree with

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and not be silenced whether or not it's horrible

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or if it's just like because that's how you that's how you start

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banning speech

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and and making people be quiet and canceling things is

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like well like they're

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you know they're saying something mean

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they're saying something hateful

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so we can't allow it even though we

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believe in free speech but we can't allow

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this speech because it's bad

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well if you allow a government to do that then it

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quickly becomes like well

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like you're really talking

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bad about the government and that's not cool cause you could get people to not be for the government

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and we're seeing that now like with Trump's 86 47

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temper tantrum you know it in

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there was a case a long time ago I think it was

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against um

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LBJ where they

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decided that even

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something that seemed like a much more flagrant

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call for um violence against the president

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um this was a Supreme Court case they

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it was ruled that this this was free speech and

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you know wasn't inciting violence

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it was saying I think it was something like they said they wanted to punch

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the president or something like that I'll have to look it up

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um

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but so which I think is interesting because

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I mean James Cole

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should be allowed to say that as free speech

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but like let's also like not like I just read an article

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today that was just such a fucking gaslight

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on what it meant like we all know what 86 forties

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what you we know what you meant

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when you said that and it was it they were trying

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they were trying to use like

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people in the service industry which I have worked in

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trying to defend

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like that's not what 86 means it just means we're

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we don't have an item anymore

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it's like yeah when you say to 86 something you mean to kill it kill it off the menu

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it's done

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like everybody knows what 80 sixing something is

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like it's getting rid of or

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you know it's not necessarily killing

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it's also used in that way

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like like you can go to tons of rap songs

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where it's used that way

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it's it's yeah to OK even even

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to give it the best the best to get rid of

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but like there's the connotation

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86 and I think that's even like police talk like 86 is

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like murder

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I've never heard that we could fact I mean

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I'm not saying that I know but I but I'm pretty sure

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could be wrong but like we know what it meant

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I don't think I don't think there's any reason to prosecute

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over it that's silly

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but like let's not like let's not be like oh yeah it's just I meant I don't like Trump

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like it

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it meant a little more like let's like like

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let's not gaslight on both ends of it

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I guess

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I

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just don't think you I don't I have never heard it used

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I'll I believe you about the rap music

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cause I don't listen to rap music

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but I've never heard it used to mean

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for sure killing somebody but you know Dump Trump

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is stuff I've said that doesn't mean

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like I've made a sign

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for that and had it in front of my house that doesn't mean that I

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want him to be dumped in a river with concrete

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blocks on his feet you know what I mean like it

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uh I wouldn't cry

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if if that necessarily happened um but it wouldn't be

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you know I'm not it's not like a call to to violence

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um and I have

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FDT I have FDT on my car right now

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I have bumper sticker

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that was given to me by a Republican

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this Republican came up to us um at one of our protests

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and gave us all FDT stickers

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he was like I'm a Republican but I hate Trump so

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and and I put it on my car and it means fuck

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Donald Trump and you know go fuck yourself

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sometimes I think people really mean go

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shut up Google

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sorry

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Google's

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yelling at me can you hear Google yelling at me

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I could hear Google yelling at you

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ha ha

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um but

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but yeah no I mean there's

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I don't like I don't think it's a a violation

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I don't think they should you know I don't think they should be prosecuted for it that's silly

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it's a waste of time like we understand

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they have his feelings

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on him but like let's also not like pretend like

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it it didn't mean like like whatever

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like it it's just it's just it's just I think it's just it's

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silly to

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to like be like oh yeah it didn't really mean anything

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like that's like the art well

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yes it definitely

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meant something he hates Donald Trump

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yeah you know and there

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you know like like like I just I think it was a

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NBC or CBS article and it was just like it was a bunch

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they interviewed

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a handful of people that work in the service

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industry like that's not what it

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it doesn't mean anything like

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I mean it means like it's gone get rid of

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take it off the menu like it's very

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clear like the 86 something is to get rid of it

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and especially in today's political climate like like

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you know like you were he was making

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he was making a statement

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yeah definitely he was definitely making a statement

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and

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again totally fine with it I think it's totally

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protected under free speech

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but like also like let's not pretend like

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yeah just some random numbers he said like yeah

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come on no it's definitely not that like let's

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let's not be silly on the other side of it too

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no

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like that's that's where I

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now I haven't heard anything it was just

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flagrantly denying that it meant anything

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yeah it's just yeah it's like it's obviously a negative

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yeah

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like it's it's not a positive

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yeah and I mean during Biden's presidency Donald

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yeah

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yes no it's not

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it's not a bunch of smiley faces hearts and rainbows

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but during Biden's administration um

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you saw 86 45 and I definitely

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didn't take that as a death threat I I

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never took it as I saw that

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huh I never even saw that nope

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it it wasn't as common as

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::

let's go Brandon thing

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yeah it wasn't as common as let's go Brandon

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go Brandon yeah so let's go Brandon

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just I just think funny

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it's not unfunny but

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cause you have to I don't know I I I just think it's

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really stupid

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like it was so stupid for him to say that's

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but I think I bet he heard that I bet he

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that's why it's funny that's why it's funny

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like that that it's so dumb that's why it's funny

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::

like why do you have to be in denial that it's uh

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that that that's what they're saying um so uh

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so yeah so was there anything

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else that stood out to you or do you

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want to elaborate there did we did you do we sideline

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you oops

664

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sorry I just slammed my keyboard on the ground

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yeah no I think I think I made my point on that

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you guys talk about the social contract

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a bunch I don't really believe

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in the idea of the social contract I think that's uh

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I don't know I think

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you're waving a flag in something that you can't really justify

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well

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I think I think in his

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interpretation and Nick's interpretation

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that is part and parcel of the tolerance

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um that if you're around

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somebody who is intolerant they're violating

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it's like they're

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they're violating a rule of engagement a a a

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subconscious rule of engagement so um once that happens

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you no longer have to tolerate them

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so that's the social contract he's talking about um

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obviously like it doesn't mean anything legally or

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you know the it's just an agreed

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upon thing but I can I can definitely

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see that like I wouldn't want just as as an example

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you have some a bunch of people over at your house

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and one of the people um

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who that that you've invited over starts

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picking on someone who's there for being black or

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let's say they're not even there um they

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you could say well I

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I should be as a tolerant person I should allow them to do that

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you know in in in society but they just violated

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your rules of tolerance by behaving

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in a way that that is offensive to you and others

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so then you are within your rights you're not

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violating any social norm to ask them to leave

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yeah so I think all this all this gets ironed out uh

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through private property

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and you don't need to push a social contract

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on any person well

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I think I think what we were talking about social contract

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is you shouldn't think of it as like a legal

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framework in any way

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no I know but I guess

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so the social contract I think falls apart

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when you start to think about it past like

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right where you live so like

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it's a social contract of these morals and ideals

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apply to the state you live in the country the USA

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to the western world

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or to the Asian world or to all of the world because

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people born in North Korea

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abide by a whole different social contract

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yes yes these are so like so

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but the social contract is always used

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as like the social contract is you pay property taxes

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for schools and you have to that's the social

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contract it's like well

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I didn't sign the contract I was born into it so like

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is it only for your area and your culture or is like

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it it I think it just falls

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apart it's not a great argument

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cause it falls apart as soon as you move

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outside of the realm of like western thinking

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I think that's okay because social social

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norms are going to vary from one place to another

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but if you have

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if the the idea behind

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tolerance of others behaviors being

731

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part of a social contract

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means that up to a certain

733

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point up to a certain limit

734

::

and yes it would vary depending on

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the culture you're in

736

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um there's an expectation

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that you're gonna tolerate

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certain things from people like if a guy

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burps in public okay like I I went to I was in a

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doctor's office

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the other day and a whole bunch of other people

742

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a whole bunch of people were um all playing video games

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and YouTube

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videos and one guy was watching Dragon Ball Z

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all on their phone

746

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all without headphones drives me batshit um

747

::

but oh that drives me insane

748

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yeah and in

749

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it's well you know I could have asked them

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to stop but that is not as them doing that is more

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::

it's not a a violation of

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they are they're being they're they're acting

753

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in a way that affects me yes but it isn't

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doing something that is an attempt to limit

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me no

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they're being rude they're being rude people yeah

757

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yeah but when it comes to people who are intolerant

758

::

pushing intolerance on

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others that that affects

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::

that affects you more even if it doesn't seem like it

761

::

somebody who comes in there and has a um

762

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I hate Jews shirt or I hate black people shirt

763

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to me that's crossing a line that is that is then

764

::

advocating for something that I think is

765

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not something that we should allow to go on

766

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without some sort of repercussion

767

::

and I'm not even saying

768

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that they're necessarily I don't even

769

::

really think there necessarily need to be laws

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against things like that

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I think there's a lot of social repercussions

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::

there should be social and and we are absolute

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::

wimps when it comes to social repercussions um

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::

I I I'm I'm continually

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shocked at what we tolerate

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other people to do that does end up affecting us

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um and I think that ideas like

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spreading ideas of hate

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to me should be socially

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unacceptable in a way that

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::

that it it doesn't seem to be

782

::

spreading ideas of hate and spreading tolerance of

783

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of others suffering

784

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tolerance and encouragement of others suffering like

785

::

warmongering to me should be unacceptable

786

::

and encouraging

787

::

you know I'll make jokes about violence

788

::

against people but really I don't think violence

789

::

has has a place you know

790

::

so I think I think stuff like that should should be

791

::

you should worry about getting called an asshole

792

::

out in public more when it comes to things like that

793

::

uh huh

794

::

well and I think you know people I mean that and that is that is how you deal with it you deal

795

::

but that

796

::

that's what I think the social contract is it's like

797

::

it's probably a bad word

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term for what we use but it meant

799

::

yeah cause it blankets

800

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too much stuff like that's the thing and it's always used to defend

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::

defend things like I don't think we

802

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intended it to be universal I'll put it that way

803

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yeah

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::

I'm just you know it's just it's just one of the notes

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I made yeah

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yeah it's a good note it's a good note

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::

cause it matters what words you use

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yep

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and then the last note I have from there

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which I'm not exactly

811

::

sure where it came from I think you guys were talking

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about fascism

813

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and again

814

::

I think you and I have talked about this but like

815

::

the like the metaphor

816

::

or maybe not metaphor analogy whichever one it is

817

::

the way I describe fascism is it

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it's a branch on the tree of collectivism

819

::

like like you know like fascism and communism isn't

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they're not enemies

821

::

they're trying to operate in the same space

822

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just a little bit different

823

::

yeah that's one reason why I don't love

824

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libertarians getting lumped in with the right

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and cause we're not

826

::

not a true libertarian yeah

827

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be I don't think they are now

828

::

now I did listen to I'll get to this later I did listen to a good podcast

829

::

it talked about how libertarians were co opted

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by the far right but that happens on all side you know

831

::

everybody gets co opted and like pulled

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::

into stuff for certain reasons

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::

um

834

::

anyway go ahead sorry

835

::

but yeah so like that that's like the kind of

836

::

thing like so when you're pushing

837

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for socialist things like you're pushing for

838

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state control of production

839

::

and let's not forget like especially cause everybody

840

::

likes to bring Nazis up I think Nazi

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is brought up way too much I don't it's not like Nazi

842

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is a thing from its era

843

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I don't think it's a thing now I think we need a new word

844

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Nazis lost all

845

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call themselves Nazis yeah

846

::

it's cause they're idiots they're they're like

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::

it's it's lost it's

848

::

lost it's meaning as a word it doesn't it doesn't hit

849

::

like okay cool yeah

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::

cause you just called blanket everybody's a Nazi

851

::

you know that like you know you don't you don't

852

::

you don't support what Israel's doing you're a Nazi

853

::

like okay like it's lost all of its meaning

854

::

so to blanket that term over everything

855

::

I think is useless at this point but and and I'm saying

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with like with

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with socialism like we do have to like to

858

::

but to go back to that like you do have to

859

::

remember the Nazi Party was the the the German

860

::

you know Workers Party it was a socialist party

861

::

they called themselves that but functionally

862

::

they didn't have much aside from

863

::

what you say about fascism being a collectivist

864

::

thing they didn't have much in common with actual

865

::

it's all the things state state control of production

866

::

like that's what socialism is we the state

867

::

controls production and then distributes out

868

::

but they had private they had private um enterprise

869

::

private enterprise and that's controlled by the state

870

::

same as how like China

871

::

does it now they have private enterprise but it's

872

::

controlled by the state

873

::

like

874

::

like that's like that's the biggest thing they're not private

875

::

because you they're not at in

876

::

at the end of the day they're not private

877

::

because they answer to the government

878

::

you know Volkswagen wasn't a privately owned company

879

::

you know the you know Volkswagen is the people's car

880

::

made by government production

881

::

like

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::

but

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::

you

884

::

you go down that slip like when you give the state

885

::

power over everything like this is that's that's like

886

::

I mean just kind of like anything

887

::

else like you can have like a good king

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::

or a bad king like it depends who's running

889

::

who's who's captaining the ship but

890

::

that kind of control over production is

891

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control over the people

892

::

and that's what socialism is socialism is state control

893

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over everything

894

::

so what I have read and I just pulled up something

895

::

admittedly using an LLM

896

::

which is questionable but this is

897

::

which is good you state that but it can give

898

::

us a starting point

899

::

similar to what I have read before was that the

900

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socialist label was a recruitment tool

901

::

that's what I'd heard before

902

::

was that it was always a little bit

903

::

kind of like how

904

::

MAGA says they're the party of family values

905

::

and and yet they do a lot of things that do not seem

906

::

to be that functionally but it's a great it's a great

907

::

motto um

908

::

so uh

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::

the so this does say that they were deeply

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intertwined with private German industry

911

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um

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I didn't know that Tissan and Krupp were separate companies

913

::

but apparently they were

914

::

and I also didn't know that Tissan Krupp

915

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Tissan and Krupp both funded the party

916

::

I didn't know that oh and they profited from slave

917

::

labor great um

918

::

and then it says the Nazis did privatize

919

::

several state owned enterprises in the 1930s

920

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so what this says is that the by modern

921

::

the modern labels basically modern

922

::

modern terms don't really match what they did now like

923

::

so contemporary socialist and communists

924

::

had no doubt that Nazism was their enemy not their cousin

925

::

let's see

926

::

which is that's just incorrect that is

927

::

I would love to see where

928

::

where you're finding that because everything

929

::

that I have read

930

::

has said that they really did not think that

931

::

that Nazis that socialists and communists

932

::

um which I think technically were different

933

::

at least when it came to the Spanish Civil War

934

::

which is very confusing to me but I

935

::

I think that was maybe two separate groups

936

::

maybe I'm wrong I get I have to look it up but um cause

937

::

the word was

938

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interchangeable back then that's the thing

939

::

the word

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::

communist and socialist was almost interchangeable

941

::

back then

942

::

yes but I think the difference the difference is

943

::

the biggest difference

944

::

is the the ideal of communism like the Bolshevik

945

::

Revolution

946

::

yeah was that they

947

::

believed in a worldwide

948

::

socialism of no of basically one state

949

::

of socialism so that's what communism is as a parent

950

::

socialism is inside of your state

951

::

well okay so there were in in the

952

::

I'm probably just getting confused by the Spanish

953

::

Civil War there were republicans nationalists and then

954

::

there were also there was the socialists and communists

955

::

anarchists Marxists that's what I was thinking of

956

::

regional separatists like like in the Spanish

957

::

Civil War that's part of what I was thinking of and

958

::

and that would have been

959

::

around the time that they were talking about

960

::

communists and socialists

961

::

during the time so I guess they just were like special brands

962

::

of whatever

963

::

yeah that's that's it's it's all on the same tree of

964

::

collectivism

965

::

but some of the first people sent to concentration

966

::

camps were communists and unionists

967

::

we

968

::

anybody that went around

969

::

against the state and the state

970

::

the state doesn't have to support a union

971

::

the state controls production

972

::

so you're just saying that

973

::

they were you still feel like they were a type of communism

974

::

who didn't like communist that weren't

975

::

they were

976

::

they were a social The Nazi Party is a socialist party

977

::

like so this

978

::

is also because

979

::

socialism doesn't also like how we're saying

980

::

democracy doesn't necessarily mean good or bad

981

::

it's what you do with it yeah

982

::

I I I understand I understand so like socialism

983

::

too late like just because it like

984

::

like there is a pipe dream of Utopia under socialism

985

::

but then there's also realism

986

::

well there's also pipe

987

::

pipe dream of Utopia under fascism

988

::

well yeah

989

::

I think it yeah but but what I'm saying is

990

::

fascism is a socialist

991

::

ideology like comes out of because

992

::

because you have to have that government

993

::

control over everything

994

::

so this is this says the

995

::

don't step on my keyboard cat OK

996

::

this says um the regime

997

::

did exercise significant direction over the economy

998

::

setting production priorities controlling

999

::

foreign exchange mandating

1000

::

rearmament contracts and suppressing

1001

::

free labor markets by abolishing unions and banning

1002

::

strikes so it wasn't a free market but yeah

1003

::

so socialism doesn't

1004

::

operate in a free market so that would be correct

1005

::

but it says direction

1006

::

is different from ownership or socialism so directing

1007

::

is different from ownership so they're saying that they

1008

::

mandated things but different but did not own things

1009

::

the capitalists kept their profits and property

1010

::

they just had to align

1011

::

their output with state priorities

1012

::

yeah

1013

::

that's that's socialism hahaha

1014

::

closer this says this is closer to what scholars

1015

::

call authoritarian

1016

::

capitalism or a war economy than socialism

1017

::

but if the if the um

1018

::

I mean today we have the same thing capitalists

1019

::

keep their profits and properties

1020

::

but there is sometimes direction over the economy

1021

::

yeah and I feel like

1022

::

I feel like we operate under too much socialism

1023

::

when how when

1024

::

when the government steps in like that

1025

::

so like especially in like in like when you're talking about Germany at that point

1026

::

and same as like China

1027

::

now like yeah you're free to do what you want

1028

::

as long as

1029

::

what you wanna do is the thing I'm telling you

1030

::

like so that's not that's not private ownership

1031

::

like

1032

::

yeah you're free to make this product

1033

::

and you can and and you're free to make 100 of them

1034

::

but if you try to make a different product

1035

::

and a different number we're shutting you down

1036

::

so that's that's government

1037

::

control over production you actually

1038

::

don't have a private control of production then you

1039

::

make it look like you have a private

1040

::

control of production

1041

::

but you don't because the government will just shut you down if you don't do what you're told

1042

::

so that is the state running production

1043

::

but they don't own it

1044

::

that's different that means that if you

1045

::

behave yourself you can own it do you

1046

::

do you own your house after you pay your mortgage

1047

::

or can the state

1048

::

take it away as soon as you don't pay property taxes

1049

::

uh uh

1050

::

you you don't own it

1051

::

until you paid it all off in my book no no

1052

::

you never own it

1053

::

because if you met

1054

::

if you don't pay your property taxes the state can

1055

::

take your property so you don't you don't actually

1056

::

ever own your home

1057

::

if

1058

::

we took what you have to say and

1059

::

to me that's almost the same as saying like you can't own

1060

::

anything cause when you die you can't take it with you

1061

::

it's different because you're dead

1062

::

you're not alive and living

1063

::

but so if I own a business business

1064

::

I said I own my leather business

1065

::

and the government says

1066

::

you can make 100 leather bags a month

1067

::

and I like well I wanna make wallets

1068

::

and they say no you can't

1069

::

and then they shut me down for making wallets

1070

::

instead of bags do I own my company

1071

::

no even though they said you own it

1072

::

you don't own it if they can shut you down for not doing what they

1073

::

want

1074

::

okay okay I

1075

::

I see where you're coming from I would say you still

1076

::

own it but you just don't have as much

1077

::

control over it as you would like and and for you

1078

::

the the control

1079

::

is an inherent part and parcel of the ownership

1080

::

yes 100% if the government

1081

::

own if the government can shut you down because of

1082

::

you're not doing what they want

1083

::

then the government owns the production

1084

::

gotcha okay

1085

::

so yeah that's kind of that's where I'm getting at with like

1086

::

like like what socialism actually means

1087

::

well okay so what if what if um

1088

::

I don't like the 7

1089

::

11 down the street there isn't actually a 7

1090

::

11 down the street

1091

::

but let's pretend I don't like the 7

1092

::

11 down the street and because I don't like it

1093

::

I shut them down does that mean I own it

1094

::

like I I go there with rocks

1095

::

and I take it over and I say this is my 7 11

1096

::

then you just create you just did an act of aggression

1097

::

upon private property and you will most likely be

1098

::

prosecuted for it

1099

::

so but

1100

::

but if I did the same thing and I were government

1101

::

then it's socialism

1102

::

yes OK

1103

::

I'm not laughing at you it's just

1104

::

no which is which is which is

1105

::

which is why I don't support

1106

::

government having that kind of power because we allow

1107

::

we allow the government to commit crimes

1108

::

it's different it's a different category

1109

::

than an individual person of their own volition

1110

::

yeah so we allow

1111

::

we allowed the government to commit

1112

::

crimes that we would prosecute individuals

1113

::

for doing the exact same thing

1114

::

yes we do the do we do we do that a whole hell of a lot

1115

::

so

1116

::

we do the same that's the difference

1117

::

hi buddy

1118

::

but that's that's the difference yeah like

1119

::

the government gets

1120

::

away with doing it and aren't held accountable

1121

::

but if you was an individual do it that wouldn't be OK

1122

::

well everybody sees clearly like that's not okay to do

1123

::

the same the same can be said of um

1124

::

corporations like or or or private businesses

1125

::

once they get a certain amount of power

1126

::

like I was reading the other day I had I had forgotten

1127

::

about this or didn't notice it

1128

::

it was during a period of time where I was actively

1129

::

trying to avoid the news

1130

::

but did did you remember this um four

1131

::

divers

1132

::

were

1133

::

died in a diving accident I think somewhere in the

1134

::

Caribbean and they were left they were doing um

1135

::

some kind of underwater repairs

1136

::

or something of a pipeline and it would have cost

1137

::

too much money to save them so they were just like left to die

1138

::

because they ran they did the numbers

1139

::

and the company decided that it was cheaper to to um

1140

::

pay out to the families

1141

::

whatever the families would ask than it would be to

1142

::

actually

1143

::

do what needed to be done to save these people so it took them four days to die

1144

::

um just absolutely crazy and and it's bonkers

1145

::

that companies can do stuff like that and get

1146

::

away with it now this company was

1147

::

not in the United States it was based out of

1148

::

Trinidad maybe um and

1149

::

you know but

1150

::

but stuff like that happens all the time like

1151

::

United Health Care yeah

1152

::

but I guess like in that scenario I would say

1153

::

the divers understood the risk like there is

1154

::

you have to understand

1155

::

the risk of something you're doing like

1156

::

if I get in a race car

1157

::

and I cartwheel the fucker and die

1158

::

is that you know Ferrari's fault because their

1159

::

their you know their their their race

1160

::

car didn't hold up to me cartwheeling the thing at 200

1161

::

50 miles an hour like at some point you

1162

::

like you know what you're

1163

::

doing and there needs to be a personal accountability

1164

::

in that

1165

::

I would

1166

::

bet they did not think that if things went sideways

1167

::

that the company would allow them to die a slow

1168

::

horrible death over for

1169

::

I see I mean that might be something to look at like

1170

::

that they especially if it was in the US

1171

::

like you would have signed a whole bunch of waivers

1172

::

that would have said like

1173

::

there's a chance

1174

::

if something happens we're not gonna come save you

1175

::

you know you sign those way

1176

::

you go to a trampoline park like

1177

::

you might break your neck and die that's on you well

1178

::

do you do you so like

1179

::

that's your personal accountability

1180

::

right there that's what contract law is for

1181

::

do you thoroughly read like every single term that you

1182

::

that you sign

1183

::

no but I

1184

::

am but I but I am aware of risks that I'm taking

1185

::

and I I feel and I am accountable for them

1186

::

I don't know I feel like there are things that they could do

1187

::

with your like let's say your personal data that

1188

::

you may have some kind of Assumption

1189

::

that something is not gonna happen

1190

::

because you're like that's just beyond the pale

1191

::

that's just not gonna happen like I would be shocked

1192

::

I worked for Home Depot you know a while back

1193

::

and I would be shocked if um

1194

::

if if if I were working

1195

::

in the store and my hand got caught in the

1196

::

paint can thingy and

1197

::

like I'm like turn off the machine

1198

::

or else I'm gonna lose

1199

::

my hand but they were like well you know what it

1200

::

we'll lose money by turning off the machine

1201

::

so sorry you have to lose

1202

::

lose your hand I would be shocked

1203

::

if that was the decision

1204

::

and you know maybe at some point when I signed

1205

::

um

1206

::

some kind of paperwork saying

1207

::

yeah Home Depot can do that but I wouldn't I

1208

::

I don't know if I could say that that was like

1209

::

presumed that that's what would happen

1210

::

but the my my point is that the companies

1211

::

can do stuff like this but if I

1212

::

lost if if somebody was stuck in a pipe in my house

1213

::

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to just say hey it would cost me too much money to get you out of there

1214

::

I can't call the ambulance

1215

::

I can't have them tear

1216

::

down this wall in my house to get you out that would cost me too much money

1217

::

I guess it would it would depend on how they got there

1218

::

let's pretend

1219

::

he he was fixing

1220

::

something for me and he had to get in the wall and then he got

1221

::

stuck you know

1222

::

like and I and I was just like no just you gotta die

1223

::

you like I wouldn't be able to do that

1224

::

that but a company

1225

::

I mean I I like I said like

1226

::

like your first example though was like a

1227

::

extreme case of something out in the ocean

1228

::

like you know like

1229

::

something that is actually way more challenge

1230

::

I mean there are

1231

::

like like there are times where like search parties

1232

::

have to give up because they can't like yeah

1233

::

the weather's too bad and and and and

1234

::

like we can't like we can't risk

1235

::

the lives of other people to find these people

1236

::

and those sometimes those people die yes yes

1237

::

and

1238

::

and I think most underwater construction work repair

1239

::

work is inherently dangerous

1240

::

too like it's one of the most dangerous forms of diving

1241

::

which is why it pays

1242

::

a ton of money there's a cost benefit to it well

1243

::

I think the difference is like with your example

1244

::

of these these search parties and like sometimes

1245

::

when like we we can't get them out without

1246

::

risk of life that's different from cost

1247

::

and maybe I was reading propaganda but what

1248

::

what it looked like

1249

::

when I was reading about it was that it was it was based

1250

::

on this cost too much money

1251

::

not a it would it would risk too many lives

1252

::

and you know money is a made up concept so

1253

::

which is I I disagree heavily

1254

::

with you on that money is not a made up concept

1255

::

money is a very real thing our American dollar

1256

::

at this point is a made up concept but money is not

1257

::

you're saying money big picture

1258

::

yeah

1259

::

what money is the a currency

1260

::

for transactions is not a made up concept

1261

::

it is a way to trade goods at a far easier rate

1262

::

than me trading you shoes for a chair

1263

::

yes

1264

::

it is I still think it's somewhat imaginary

1265

::

and we just agree that it exists

1266

::

we just decide that it exists

1267

::

that's so that's that's

1268

::

the American dollar post like 1972

1269

::

that's that's where you're right

1270

::

right now we agree that this money exists

1271

::

and it's fake it's fiat currency is fake

1272

::

gold backed money is not fake

1273

::

it is a real currency that holds value

1274

::

like so that's where the big difference is

1275

::

like yes right now our dollar is fake

1276

::

and is based off of hopes and dreams

1277

::

which is why our economy is a fucking disaster

1278

::

but before we got off the gold standard money was real

1279

::

and that's one of the that's way we need to fix

1280

::

the country is to fix the money

1281

::

I'm

1282

::

I'm gonna have to think about that because several years

1283

::

ago I said the same thing and that was one of the reasons

1284

::

why I didn't love Bitcoin

1285

::

something along those lines and then I somebody

1286

::

was talking to me about it and basically

1287

::

they persuaded me

1288

::

that all money is a an imaginary concept

1289

::

it it is it is con it is real in that the something

1290

::

in place of the exchange for the actual

1291

::

goods and services like I don't have to give you 70

1292

::

chickens to get a house you know cause that's yeah

1293

::

like you said it's easier but just that all

1294

::

all of it is is a

1295

::

construct that we just agree on that this X is worth y

1296

::

y is worth X

1297

::

this is why we use gold and silver especially gold

1298

::

because this is why

1299

::

libertarians like to use gold and silver well

1300

::

this is why up until

1301

::

recent history all civilizations use gold

1302

::

yes that's currency

1303

::

yes cause it was actually something that you could

1304

::

you could

1305

::

it's scarce

1306

::

which you need scarcity for it to have value

1307

::

it can break down it's scarcity can break down into

1308

::

coin size things that are

1309

::

that that are worth while you can carry and exchange

1310

::

and have a value tied to it yeah it costs

1311

::

it costs labor to extract it from the earth

1312

::

and then with gold especially

1313

::

gold has very special characteristics

1314

::

as we've gotten into the future you know gold is used

1315

::

in electronics because of this exact reason

1316

::

of of of it's

1317

::

very special characteristics of it doesn't corrode

1318

::

it doesn't break down it's not like iron

1319

::

where it rusts and goes back to the earth

1320

::

and I think it's highly conductive too yeah that's why

1321

::

is an electronics like so it's highly conductive

1322

::

and it doesn't break down it doesn't corrode

1323

::

like it has all these very specific properties

1324

::

that makes it and I mean they even in Rome they had

1325

::

they used

1326

::

gold and silver and all that and they started

1327

::

you know towards the end of the empire

1328

::

they started causing

1329

::

massive inflation because they started

1330

::

mixing other metals into their coins

1331

::

and people knew that so now

1332

::

you're

1333

::

devaluing the currency cause now it's not gold it's

1334

::

you know it's mixed with copper and nickel

1335

::

and all this other stuff and now it's now it's not as valuable

1336

::

so like there is a really solid theory behind

1337

::

why it works and why it holds

1338

::

up as the currency as opposed like seashells

1339

::

like you know like yes anybody can go pick up seashells

1340

::

there's no scarcity so they're not worth anything yeah

1341

::

like if you wanna go get your own gold

1342

::

it's gonna take some work

1343

::

like you know you gotta mine it like you gotta

1344

::

take it out of the ore like it's it's so like

1345

::

with that being

1346

::

said you are totally correct like currently money

1347

::

money is a joke it's fake

1348

::

yes like fiat current fiat currency is

1349

::

is a complete scam

1350

::

you know our government can just print it which is why our dollars

1351

::

aren't are losing value every day

1352

::

because they can print it

1353

::

without having to back it with anything

1354

::

I had this thought

1355

::

because you know I really don't like Donald

1356

::

Trump I don't know if I've established

1357

::

that but I really don't and

1358

::

yeah I think you might have hit on the point a time or two

1359

::

but I had this thought that like if his face he

1360

::

you know they're making coins

1361

::

with his face on it this might actually be a case of like a weird

1362

::

currency manipulation

1363

::

because for some people they won't want that money like

1364

::

if they feel strongly

1365

::

enough about it they'll want a different dollar

1366

::

uh huh yeah I mean

1367

::

that that gets into like your supply and demand yeah

1368

::

yeah and

1369

::

and then for some people they want those dollars'cause they really love him and so that's

1370

::

that then it's worth more

1371

::

so then it's not you want dollars you want a

1372

::

sweet pair of those golden Trump shoes yeah

1373

::

that do they make those do they make golden trophies

1374

::

they did

1375

::

they did make them yeah any grift that he could have

1376

::

did he did come on yeah

1377

::

I should have gotten in on some MAGA grifts I I like

1378

::

I'm kind of like you know the

1379

::

the gold Trump shoes would be fun to have

1380

::

I mean gold shoes I'm I'm I have I had gold shoes

1381

::

that I got for a costume and they were

1382

::

are very fun I'm only getting rid of them

1383

::

because the lights don't

1384

::

light up they had little lights on the bottom and I love that and then one of the shoes

1385

::

broke cause you know they're cheap

1386

::

yeah crap um but just like the Trump shoes

1387

::

yeah well they weren't Trump shoes and I don't know

1388

::

this is the crap they were just gold gold

1389

::

shoes yeah I mean I don't I don't think there's

1390

::

20 dollar gold

1391

::

shoes are probably not the highest level of um

1392

::

quality so

1393

::

um

1394

::

alright I mean I think that's all I had for the last

1395

::

episode refresh catch up

1396

::

so do we wanna move into

1397

::

uh the current topic of today's episode

1398

::

are you uncomfortable with the government

1399

::

reading your messages without a warrant

1400

::

are you tired of local police

1401

::

departments armed like occupying armies

1402

::

are you sick of being monitored tracked and

1403

::

recorded just for living your life

1404

::

then we're on the same side

1405

::

The Fourth Amendment

1406

::

wasn't written for a specific kind of person

1407

::

it was written for everyone flock cameras record

1408

::

your license

1409

::

plate every time you leave your neighborhood

1410

::

the government knows where you went

1411

::

when you left and when you came back

1412

::

no warrant no suspicion no limit

1413

::

so next time a politician calls it public

1414

::

safety ask who exactly is being kept safe from what

1415

::

demand your rights demand accountability

1416

::

it's the one thing we can all get behind

1417

::

Schindler's gist is brought to you by the simple

1418

::

idea that the government

1419

::

should have to earn the right to watch you paid

1420

::

for by people who are frankly a little tired of this

1421

::

so for for current events what current event let

1422

::

let's do it this way

1423

::

pick one current event that you think is most

1424

::

interesting for whatever reason it can be anything

1425

::

it can be about cats

1426

::

it can be about politics it can be about

1427

::

your state only your town whatever

1428

::

I got you well I

1429

::

I have one on top of mind

1430

::

cause I've been watching it close

1431

::

uh so I mean obviously

1432

::

this one's a big a big one but there was that whole

1433

::

uh correspondence dinner shooting

1434

::

yeah what do you think about that

1435

::

I mean

1436

::

god at

1437

::

best case scenario was a complete

1438

::

failure of our government to do anything like

1439

::

yeah

1440

::

like

1441

::

like the the documented lack of security is atrocious

1442

::

it's lunacy especially when you have like

1443

::

what 80% of the like the descending like line of like

1444

::

control like of where you hand down the presidency

1445

::

like if one person dies like they're all there yeah

1446

::

yeah

1447

::

was it like like

1448

::

like the the

1449

::

the only person that wasn't there if they would have

1450

::

pulled it off was like an 80 year old

1451

::

80 year old congressman or something like just like

1452

::

like it like like like how was there not security

1453

::

there's no way that guy should have gotten even even

1454

::

close to being able to sprint into there

1455

::

no it's crazy like so

1456

::

you know I'm not I'm not jumping on any conspiracy

1457

::

trains or anything but like

1458

::

at minimum like just how awful

1459

::

I mean it is the same as like the whole Butler shooting

1460

::

what yeah

1461

::

what you think about it conspiracy

1462

::

real don't really even care but like just if you go by

1463

::

statements

1464

::

made by our government where the Secret Service

1465

::

was like that roof

1466

::

was too angled for us to be on it's like

1467

::

apparently not for that guy

1468

::

yeah yeah like the incompetence

1469

::

which believe me I have full faith in our government

1470

::

being completely incompetent

1471

::

so I I wouldn't rule that out

1472

::

but um

1473

::

but to bring this local and I gladly call this out

1474

::

uh for everybody here for all of our 7

1475

::

maybe listeners ha

1476

::

ha ha ha uh is Manakau

1477

::

Brewing Company here in Wisconsin

1478

::

is run by this insane lefty guy

1479

::

that basically has

1480

::

a Celebration in holding

1481

::

and he's very open about it it's called Free Beer Day

1482

::

and it's the day that Donald Trump dies

1483

::

and he is pro assassination he made it very clear

1484

::

he supports him being assassinated

1485

::

on social media you can go on Facebook

1486

::

look up Monaco Brewing Company

1487

::

he they defend it to the end

1488

::

read the comment section it is disgusting

1489

::

any person that is that is pro somebody being murdered

1490

::

I don't care how much you dislike them yeah

1491

::

it's disgusting that's not cool

1492

::

and they they have I mean they sell shirts

1493

::

free beer day all this and it's all in

1494

::

support of Donald Trump dying in that day

1495

::

free beer for everybody that comes to the brewery yeah

1496

::

and again very pro assassination

1497

::

which is just stoking the fire of political violence

1498

::

yeah yeah yeah it's not we shouldn't like like don't

1499

::

don't don't get me wrong when I said I wouldn't cry

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::

if he died

1501

::

I that's just that's all I mean I wouldn't cry if he died

1502

::

but it yeah

1503

::

really

1504

::

terrible if he got assassinated

1505

::

like that's not that's not an okay thing for a functioning

1506

::

society

1507

::

and then what does that mean for the future

1508

::

yeah like what like like like this is

1509

::

like you're not like you obviously

1510

::

don't care about much I don't want my child

1511

::

growing up in a world where like we openly

1512

::

want to assassinate the other party constantly

1513

::

no no and that kind of rhetoric leads

1514

::

to that and it's it's disgusting and just I went and I

1515

::

went through the comments on all these posts and

1516

::

you know like to know that these are

1517

::

you know these are people

1518

::

these are people that are my neighbor

1519

::

you could be my neighbors

1520

::

that are that are just cheering it on and they

1521

::

support this business and I'm like and I

1522

::

you know I'm a pretty staunch freedom of speech

1523

::

absolutist

1524

::

and I love that he can say that and I really hope

1525

::

the public stops going to his brewery

1526

::

yeah

1527

::

and I hope his business

1528

::

ends like for like your

1529

::

definition of the social contract like that's like

1530

::

you should be shamed out of existence your business

1531

::

should crumble because

1532

::

of how disgusting you decide to act

1533

::

yeah that's not that I that's not an okay

1534

::

okay way to be I don't think um that

1535

::

those are the kinds of things you say in private

1536

::

among your family and friends

1537

::

when you're particularly angry like

1538

::

you know they're not the kinds of things you actually call

1539

::

for in the public square yes

1540

::

so like I just I was personally disgusted by you know a

1541

::

small

1542

::

business here in our state to just be that hard line

1543

::

on the side and we have a lot of business

1544

::

yeah yeah we got

1545

::

enough insane people that that love it so much

1546

::

man and I mean and I said you can like

1547

::

you can go look it up go look up Minokwa Brewing

1548

::

they have their

1549

::

they're all these posts are on their Facebook page

1550

::

that's bad it's national news

1551

::

oh yeah I believe you I'll I'll yeah I'll talk Fox

1552

::

was writing Newsweek was writing

1553

::

about it like all all the big outlets

1554

::

like that it got picked up and

1555

::

yeah like this guy I mean this guy's been criminally

1556

::

charged with stuff I I believe he ran for Congress

1557

::

I also believe I could be wrong

1558

::

these are things I've read that I haven't totally

1559

::

vetted but the current um democratic uh backed uh

1560

::

candidate for

1561

::

Congress to unseat Derek Van Orden in our district

1562

::

I believe she worked on his uh on his campaign

1563

::

but I'm also

1564

::

man I would I would be so mad if if I

1565

::

were a you know remotely

1566

::

functioning politician and somebody

1567

::

on my campaign did that I'd be really upset cause

1568

::

I don't think I don't think that's I mean I'm sure

1569

::

like people came out of the woodwork

1570

::

agreeing with him but I really don't think that's a

1571

::

mainstream

1572

::

viewpoint that it's okay to say stuff like that

1573

::

no and and she hasn't agreed with it

1574

::

and she hasn't made any statements

1575

::

but from what I understand they kind of scrubbed

1576

::

some stuff away to make it not look like she was

1577

::

and I mean by kind of

1578

::

like I don't think she doesn't hold any um

1579

::

she doesn't hold any accountability

1580

::

for this because working

1581

::

for somebody else's campaign is totally

1582

::

different than you running on your beliefs

1583

::

yeah yeah so I like but like you know

1584

::

I I also haven't seen any response be like you know

1585

::

if you did or did not we're addressing

1586

::

that like if you worked for it or not

1587

::

and also being like yes this is horrible rhetoric

1588

::

and I don't support this

1589

::

I feel like that's the least you would do if somebody

1590

::

come if there's such a big accusation that you

1591

::

are you know a Democrat Party

1592

::

just you know Democrat Party operative and you just do

1593

::

a lot of people feel like if the if they don't say anything

1594

::

about it it'll just go

1595

::

away and a lot of people are advised to do that

1596

::

that if they say something about it it'll call more

1597

::

attention to it

1598

::

I mean that's how you can tell

1599

::

the bought off politicians like that's the thing I like

1600

::

that's the least thing I like about

1601

::

about this one candidate is

1602

::

you know she's real vague on

1603

::

on like the what happened in Venezuela

1604

::

and and the war in Iran

1605

::

and with this and it's like if if I wanna vote

1606

::

for you I wanna know that you're gonna go into Congress

1607

::

and you're gonna vote across the aisle with Thomas

1608

::

Massey and you're gonna try to end this stuff

1609

::

I don't want this vague like uh

1610

::

party line statement that's safe

1611

::

like I don't know

1612

::

I don't know if we've Learned this I don't know if you saw

1613

::

Donald Trump got elected twice like people and because

1614

::

he's a straight shooter at least I mean he's he lies

1615

::

but he says what he means

1616

::

I think he means what he says when he says it

1617

::

you know even if what he means is to

1618

::

convince you of a of a falsity you know like he's he's

1619

::

a he's a he's aggressive and bold

1620

::

and not afraid to say stuff and people are tired of this smarmy

1621

::

beating around the Bush nonsense

1622

::

yeah I mean I think I mean I feel like as a candidate

1623

::

that wants to win over more than just Democrats

1624

::

go lean harder into the anti war the anti and you know

1625

::

you know

1626

::

don't take a pack money stand on that as a platform

1627

::

you know like

1628

::

instead of like like like like everything

1629

::

I've seen like I'm like I can't I do I like

1630

::

I don't like Derek Van Orden at all either but like

1631

::

like you're just a different flavor

1632

::

yeah

1633

::

like cool like he's red you're blue like you guys are

1634

::

probably gonna vote 90% of the same stuff in the house

1635

::

you're gonna differentiate on

1636

::

Medicare for all that's about it

1637

::

like I like I just don't believe anything

1638

::

at this point because you just

1639

::

are towing the party line and you're not

1640

::

yeah I don't feel like it's authentic and I think

1641

::

right now is the time for people to be authentic

1642

::

and I feel like it's really easy

1643

::

to distance yourself from like a company that openly

1644

::

supports assassinations

1645

::

yeah I think

1646

::

I think that's a reasonable thing to ask of people

1647

::

distance yourself from a company that

1648

::

calls for open openly calls for assassinations

1649

::

like let's let's not let's not be okay with that yeah

1650

::

the idea of celebrating a death

1651

::

because of them being on the other political side than you is disgusting

1652

::

and I don't want harm for anybody

1653

::

and my wife puts it like the greatest

1654

::

like all right so like your party didn't

1655

::

get in the office

1656

::

but as a whole in this country we should want

1657

::

our president to be successful

1658

::

yeah so like like and

1659

::

it's where we're so polarized

1660

::

like to to the point now where yeah just just open

1661

::

social media like cool like

1662

::

we're gonna party for an assassination like ah to

1663

::

you know you know like the post

1664

::

was like you know like our our brothers or sisters

1665

::

in the Democratic Party need to

1666

::

work you know get better aim

1667

::

or it's like come on yeah haha

1668

::

yes

1669

::

like I said those are things that you say in private

1670

::

at at your worst when you're grumbling

1671

::

about stuff the same way you talk about wanting to like kick

1672

::

somebody's ass down the street that

1673

::

you know you say that

1674

::

when you know it's not actually going to incite

1675

::

any violence or encourage others to violence

1676

::

it's when when you're just grumbling to yourself

1677

::

yep and yeah

1678

::

yeah it's just yeah you don't you don't go on Facebook be like you know what I'm gonna type this out and share it to the world

1679

::

no no what are we doing

1680

::

no that's not that's that's something you keep

1681

::

keep to yourself

1682

::

so yeah so that's my uh

1683

::

political or low you know local slash

1684

::

uh national current event that really uh

1685

::

ground my gears this week

1686

::

nice so do you think it was a real

1687

::

does it matter to you do you think it was a real

1688

::

um assassination attempt

1689

::

you know like

1690

::

I feel like it could go both ways I feel like

1691

::

I do I I I'm on the I kind of think any

1692

::

trust

1693

::

dudes got three first names

1694

::

like that's like the first that's like the first

1695

::

plague of being fake

1696

::

it's always three first names like ah that's that's

1697

::

suspicious yeah hahaha I saw that that's funny

1698

::

like like

1699

::

who are the other ones that have killed people um

1700

::

Lee Harvey Oswald uh

1701

::

yeah I guess Timothy Mcveigh

1702

::

only has the two I don't know if

1703

::

I don't know they always said his middle name

1704

::

I think they did

1705

::

sometimes Timothy Mcveigh

1706

::

yeah there's been there's been some others

1707

::

oh what was his

1708

::

the the the guy who killed um Lincoln

1709

::

what was his name

1710

::

John Wilkes Booth John Wilkes Booth yeah

1711

::

yeah

1712

::

um but yeah it's always

1713

::

it's always first middle and last like

1714

::

nobody ever refers to people with their middle name

1715

::

it was just me Martha Jean yeah I mean

1716

::

very yeah it's it's it's it's really

1717

::

unless you're in the south

1718

::

yeah then then it's it's less common

1719

::

and if all of a sudden you end up arrested

1720

::

for OR86 for some political violence I know

1721

::

she got she got MK Ultra don't believe it right right

1722

::

yeah that's a little little scary um so uh

1723

::

I I'm on the team of I

1724

::

don't believe it was completely random

1725

::

I I don't necessarily know if I think that the guy

1726

::

himself was in on anything

1727

::

and and like like with the um the one in Pennsylvania

1728

::

pencil it was in Pennsylvania right yeah

1729

::

yeah that's yup I still think I I

1730

::

I think there was some staging

1731

::

there but I don't necessarily

1732

::

think the shooter was in on the staging I just think

1733

::

that with as much of a surveillance state as we have

1734

::

they should have known

1735

::

stuff was going on and had better security

1736

::

and I think there's a potential that it was allowed

1737

::

to happen um so that I mean

1738

::

for political gain the government like like the the

1739

::

the fact that the FBI after Donald Trump takes office

1740

::

completely drops the case is very questionable

1741

::

very yes yes like

1742

::

like what like somebody apparently

1743

::

shot got so close that it took part of your ear

1744

::

you think you want some answers and I like right

1745

::

nope nope nope

1746

::

we figured it out I mean the

1747

::

idea like this guy's like apartment was totally

1748

::

scrubbed there's no physical evidence of anything

1749

::

his you know they're like yeah he's what 19 or 20

1750

::

no social no internet footprint at all which was

1751

::

found to be false like

1752

::

I'm sure you're not a big Tucker Carlson fan

1753

::

I never followed him much

1754

::

his new podcasts are a lot better than what was on Fox

1755

::

any interviews interesting clips of him

1756

::

cause cause people are taking

1757

::

his clips and talking about him more partly because

1758

::

he's gonna

1759

::

he did he hired private

1760

::

investigators to dive into the whole Butler

1761

::

shooting incident and they were able to dig up a

1762

::

like it's worth going to listen it's on

1763

::

you can go on Spotify it's on his his podcast channel

1764

::

but like so it's just it's just an episode

1765

::

just about the Butler assassination attempt

1766

::

and everything the government said they're they're just

1767

::

lying because he was able to have people

1768

::

scrape the internet and find footprints

1769

::

where our government's like yeah there's just nothing

1770

::

he just didn't do anything

1771

::

on the internet and this came out of nowhere

1772

::

kid was in like a Black Rock commercial

1773

::

like yeah that is

1774

::

weird you know and then

1775

::

and then he's shot dead and just cremated quickly

1776

::

yeah like you know like

1777

::

whatever they're saying isn't the truth

1778

::

whether or not it was

1779

::

staged or they want to cover up incompetence

1780

::

I feel like both are extremely likely

1781

::

again I have no I have no

1782

::

I have no resistance to

1783

::

to think that the government is completely incompetent

1784

::

yeah so yeah but either way

1785

::

they're lying

1786

::

they're they're

1787

::

probably lying they're not telling us the truth

1788

::

no like I think that's the thing to gain from it

1789

::

like all of these things yeah like you know

1790

::

tell you like the Charlie Kirk thing

1791

::

whether or not feelings on Charlie Kirk like

1792

::

we're not getting a true story

1793

::

no like the the the fairy tale that they're telling

1794

::

us didn't happen no fucking way in hell

1795

::

no like this guy isn't

1796

::

assembling and disassembling this gun

1797

::

multiple fucking times

1798

::

no it's it's been proven that you can't

1799

::

it's I think it's been pretty solidly

1800

::

proven that a 30 out 6 couldn't

1801

::

would have done so much more damage than what we saw

1802

::

and I accidentally watched the actual video

1803

::

which wasn't fun because it's not fun to ever see I

1804

::

I accidentally saw it

1805

::

too I didn't want to see it and then I was scrolling

1806

::

Reddit and then

1807

::

you know and I'm like oh great now that's in my mind

1808

::

with me yeah yeah exactly

1809

::

I was like I didn't want to see that I just wanted to see some of the other

1810

::

footage I didn't want to see the up close no

1811

::

oh no but but I think it's been

1812

::

clearly proven there's no way a 30 out 6 did that plus

1813

::

recently

1814

::

Dude's defense has pulled

1815

::

like has made public that

1816

::

the government has no casings

1817

::

to the bolt like nothing matches that rifle

1818

::

I heard that too that nothing nothing matches um

1819

::

and then I mean just

1820

::

and then suddenly like all of a sudden like

1821

::

after it's disassembled

1822

::

in his backpack he climbs down a fucking building

1823

::

escapes goes into the woods that's owned by Palantir

1824

::

yeah uh assembles the gun

1825

::

with without the tool

1826

::

that he apparently left on the roof

1827

::

and wraps it in a towel and leaves it there like why

1828

::

uh huh this doesn't make it like like like this fairy

1829

::

tale that we're being told is complete bullshit

1830

::

and then

1831

::

he conveniently like messaged his secret lover

1832

::

about it which

1833

::

with a full oddly worded not away any

1834

::

20 year old talks freaking weird

1835

::

and just spills

1836

::

every detail that the FBI would need to convict him

1837

::

that's so weird that's conveniently uh huh

1838

::

I don't I don't believe it so that's

1839

::

that's kind of the same reason why I don't believe

1840

::

I don't fully believe in this one particularly

1841

::

the the complete lack of security like

1842

::

Trump is fairly paranoid this is

1843

::

the first correspondence dinner he's ever gone to also

1844

::

you know when he didn't go to any of them

1845

::

during his first term I yeah which is

1846

::

also really suspect

1847

::

yeah

1848

::

like I said I'm not trying to ride the conspiracy train

1849

::

but I also do enjoy

1850

::

thinking about the conspiracy train well

1851

::

everyone everyone who talks

1852

::

about this has to say I'm not into conspiracies but

1853

::

I'm super into conspiracies yeah haha I I I love them

1854

::

that's why I I do try to separate like they're very fun

1855

::

I'm gonna read all about the conspiracy I'm gonna

1856

::

think I'm gonna look at it but I'm also gonna look at it

1857

::

from the other side too of like how this could just not be the conspiracy

1858

::

until there is an overwhelming amount of evidence

1859

::

yeah

1860

::

which like that's what I said like I feel with all of these like at

1861

::

minimum is it's just tons of just just

1862

::

just shameful amounts of oversite

1863

::

yeah and

1864

::

and and also the government is definitely lying yes

1865

::

yes

1866

::

and it's a big deal when you can't trust the government

1867

::

not to lie like that is truly a big deal yeah

1868

::

yeah I mean we still don't have

1869

::

the information about JFK

1870

::

so like yeah

1871

::

like do we need to we don't need to take anything

1872

::

of face value from from them

1873

::

you know at least until the aliens land

1874

::

I I'm looking forward to the aliens

1875

::

I was just thinking about the JFK thing um

1876

::

like isn't it kind of known now that the FBI

1877

::

killed him like don't isn't that like people

1878

::

I think CIA is CIA CIA CIA is the culprit

1879

::

yeah but there's still

1880

::

no I'm not we're never gonna get the smoking

1881

::

gun but I don't think anybody

1882

::

believes the bullshit anymore no no no they um

1883

::

they wasted they wasted our our good will

1884

::

yeah

1885

::

so um

1886

::

my event I'm glad you picked that one cause I

1887

::

would have picked that one

1888

::

my event my news this week oh for my news this week

1889

::

I'll tell you what I've been reading

1890

::

listening to I think I sent it to you did I send you a link to a podcast

1891

::

called Master Plan

1892

::

yes I almost finished

1893

::

the first episode of the second season

1894

::

oh did you start in the second season

1895

::

yeah cause I wanted to

1896

::

start so close to like where it's topical oh

1897

::

oh so I started on the first season

1898

::

I recommend the first season because um they

1899

::

the whole thing is just talking

1900

::

about things that happened far enough in the past

1901

::

um and and they kind of set I set

1902

::

a stage but they the podcast talks a lot about um

1903

::

why all the changes

1904

::

that happened in our government

1905

::

so going back to like we've talked about the erosion of rights

1906

::

that the ignoring the Constitution blah blah blah

1907

::

it talks about

1908

::

how did we get to a point where everyone

1909

::

well not everyone but a lot of people feel like the all

1910

::

we have an oligarchy and that it's the haves

1911

::

against the have nots

1912

::

more so than it has been in a really long time

1913

::

how did we get to a point where

1914

::

there's like immense corporate capture of the um

1915

::

political

1916

::

mechanisms in our country and

1917

::

it they go back in time and they kind of

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say this is what happened these are the laws

1919

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that passed these are the people who were uh

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put on the Supreme Court this is how how we got there

1921

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and um a lot of it's called the is the whole

1922

::

I guess the whole thing is called master plan

1923

::

but the whole first season they're talking

1924

::

about some specific

1925

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what they keep referring to as master planners

1926

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who were folks

1927

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um aligned with the Republican Party

1928

::

but very much were

1929

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and this free market corporate um pro capitalist but

1930

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so I

1931

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I just want to say one thing when you say something like that

1932

::

free market and corporate capitalism are

1933

::

different things like the yes I know they they use

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::

free market yeah but I I I trust

1935

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our government is not capitalism I totally I

1936

::

I totally agree with you but they

1937

::

they call it capitalism you know that's

1938

::

that's part of what is so

1939

::

screwy about these people like that

1940

::

they don't believe

1941

::

what they say but they're willing to say and do a lot of things that end up getting

1942

::

getting the end result that they want so that's

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that's one of the things that I was talking about where they

1944

::

co opted libertarians

1945

::

by using the term free market blah blah blah

1946

::

um they they went after socialists hardcore um

1947

::

and but but it's all about I think you really

1948

::

enjoy listening to it and and I I'm not finished

1949

::

with the first season I don't think I don't think I am

1950

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but it it it um

1951

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it just kind of sets up

1952

::

the framework for how we got here like I was in a city

1953

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council meeting

1954

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on Monday

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and some

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they were doing a proclamation

1957

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the mayor does these proclamations

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where he says oh it's

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Child Abuse Awareness Month oh it's

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Motorcycle Safety Month whatever

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and he had some motorcyclists come in to accept the um

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or whatever it is that he has for the Motorcycle

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Safety month and

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the motorcyclist was like I'm so glad

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we're being recognized as

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participants in this economy

1967

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and those weren't his exact words I can find them

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we get transcripts and stuff but it was

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they it was essentially that like

1970

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like we participate in the market

1971

::

we exchange money here we met but they they matter

1972

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not because they are your neighbors

1973

::

living in the same place that you live

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::

and riding the same roads that you ride

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it was about our value as consumers

1976

::

not even producers our value as consumers um

1977

::

and there were several things that happened in a short time during the meeting

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that were just

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kind of I don't know if I'm hypersensitive

1980

::

to it or if um

1981

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it was particularly egregious at this meeting but just

1982

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equating

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::

human value with how much capital they have and can

1984

::

and can offer

1985

::

the world um and capital I mean money cash um

1986

::

and it's and it's really gross to me you know

1987

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it it's it's not fun so that that's

1988

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that's my thought I guess is I think that's a really good podcast

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and I wish I had listened to it earlier

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cause I I feel like they do a good job of explaining

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some really complex things

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I've accidentally listened to a couple of

1993

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parts of season 2

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because I have it the way my podcast reader is and

1995

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it sounds like it still

1996

::

is doing the same thing like where

1997

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they they

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::

they spend a lot of time explaining stuff that's

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::

yeah thank

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::

you so far and like I said I didn't finish the episode

2001

::

I started at that because it they're talk it's like

2002

::

talking about kings no kings protest oh

2003

::

yeah so second season starts

2004

::

really topical for what we've been talking about

2005

::

cool I am gonna say so far I listen

2006

::

I listen about three quarters of it

2007

::

and the only thing is it it has a bias oh definitely

2008

::

it definitely does it's definitely like it's like

2009

::

they did they

2010

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they they they snuck in one little clip of like Obama

2011

::

saying how he was gonna use executive power

2012

::

but that like it was a tiny little couple second clip

2013

::

other than that

2014

::

they're kind of just smearing it all on Republicans

2015

::

and that's just that's just not factual

2016

::

and I don't think it's I don't think it's helpful

2017

::

to be like yeah it's just for Republicans

2018

::

that have done this and only them and Democrats

2019

::

are clean

2020

::

I would like to

2021

::

for you to listen to the first one because I didn't come

2022

::

away with the idea that the Democrats were clean

2023

::

but I did come away with the idea that a lot of

2024

::

this specific plan that has been executed was

2025

::

was designed by the right um I just think

2026

::

that's I just think that's a cute fantastical belief

2027

::

honestly because

2028

::

I don't know because I'm not saying that

2029

::

that the left doesn't have its own weird machinations

2030

::

but what they're talking about specifically is

2031

::

is a specific way of dealing with the world that

2032

::

according to documentation

2033

::

according to records it stemmed from the right

2034

::

yeah but if you don't

2035

::

bring up any things that Democrat presidents

2036

::

did then you're not gonna have to answer to

2037

::

like you just if you don't bring up other proof

2038

::

like you don't know like yeah they're bringing up

2039

::

tons of evidence I don't think they're wrong

2040

::

I think they do end up talking

2041

::

they talk a little bit about what Clinton did

2042

::

but a lot of the stuff in

2043

::

that they were talking about was like

2044

::

90s and down from the 70s to oh yeah

2045

::

but I mean like you know to like act like uh

2046

::

like you know during World War Two our president didn't

2047

::

do lots of things that were not constitutional and were

2048

::

purposely made to get us into the war

2049

::

you know to act king like

2050

::

like is also like you can't just leave out parts

2051

::

and I I think I think it does paint it

2052

::

at least I say some only first at my at my

2053

::

I'm not saying

2054

::

they won't change my mind as I listen like if they go

2055

::

deeper

2056

::

but like so far it is kind of really just painting

2057

::

one side

2058

::

and the thing is like these are people in power

2059

::

I don't think it

2060

::

at that point matters Republican or Democrat

2061

::

well I think it's definitely about a specific

2062

::

group of people from a specific political demographic

2063

::

and what they've done

2064

::

it is it is specifically about that

2065

::

yeah but I I I I don't think

2066

::

it's just those people I guess it's like

2067

::

like I don't think you paint

2068

::

I don't think the full picture is getting painted

2069

::

maybe not maybe not

2070

::

and that's and I mean I'm gonna keep

2071

::

listening to it cause it's interesting

2072

::

I think there's a lot of good stuff in it but I I can

2073

::

I can there's a a clear bias

2074

::

like because because like anybody

2075

::

that's out in these upper echelons of power like

2076

::

Republican Democrat doesn't really matter it's about

2077

::

that upper Echelon of power

2078

::

like I don't I don't I

2079

::

I think you know I mean like all all of the leaders

2080

::

have done have done things and passed bills to

2081

::

to get us to the point that we are at and I don't think you can blame

2082

::

one party for it

2083

::

I think at times you can

2084

::

for example Mccarthyism was from the right

2085

::

I'm about to have

2086

::

to leave Mccarthyism you know

2087

::

so so if we were talking about something

2088

::

is that Mccarthyism is that communism stuff

2089

::

McCarthy was the guy that did all the

2090

::

witch trials going after people for communism

2091

::

yeah

2092

::

so he

2093

::

he was he was a Republican and he was very very very

2094

::

vehemently anti socialist

2095

::

um so

2096

::

I think back back in the day all the branches of our

2097

::

everybody

2098

::

in the government was anti socialist anti communist

2099

::

it was a big push it's like literally the Cold War

2100

::

people swung that way but there was also

2101

::

a big point in time um where it was extremely common

2102

::

particularly in um

2103

::

if you were if you were an intellectual at all

2104

::

you probably had some sympathies

2105

::

with socialism and communism it was just

2106

::

it was just very very very common

2107

::

um we're almost we're almost at that point now where

2108

::

well not really anymore there's like

2109

::

there's a huge resurgence of of these

2110

::

beliefs that I think are

2111

::

detrimental

2112

::

well hey I gotta get going but okay

2113

::

yeah it was fun it was fun we got good stuff

2114

::

and and definitely so next time we'll talk about um

2115

::

what exactly are we talking about next time

2116

::

so next time I think our next episode

2117

::

I wanna do on rights

2118

::

rights OK cool so my right my little my little

2119

::

definition monologue is what I think the proper

2120

::

definition of rights is

2121

::

OK and kind of and it's gonna explain

2122

::

and I in there I'll explain

2123

::

explain like my version of rights

2124

::

and then like what like when people say uh

2125

::

you know housing is a right healthcare is a right

2126

::

or why I don't think it's a right and

2127

::

why it fits into the

2128

::

and then so that's kind of my little monologue

2129

::

definition thing and then I feel like uh

2130

::

we'll have plenty to talk about then

2131

::

awesome going into a discussion Yay yay

2132

::

alright well that was the show

2133

::

alright

2134

::

see ya you too bye bye

2135

::

are you tired of paying to lock up non violent offenders

2136

::

for decades are you sick of a 50

2137

::

year war on drugs that nobody is winning

2138

::

are you uncomfortable with mandatory sentences

2139

::

that take the decision out of a judge's hands

2140

::

then we're on the same side

2141

::

the war on drugs has cost over $1 trillion

2142

::

it has filled prisons with non violent offenders

2143

::

and by every measure

2144

::

drugs are more available today than when it started

2145

::

prohibition has never worked not once not ever

2146

::

so next time a politician calls it tough on crime

2147

::

ask what exactly has been accomplished

2148

::

demand accountability

2149

::

it's the one thing we can all get behind

2150

::

Schindler's gist is brought to you by the simple

2151

::

idea that a policy failing for 50

2152

::

years deserves an honest conversation

2153

::

paid

2154

::

for by people who are frankly a little tired of this

2155

::

hi it's me again before I sign

2156

::

off I wanted to give you some context

2157

::

on a couple of things we talked about

2158

::

first the Wisconsin brewery that we discussed it's

2159

::

called Minocqua

2160

::

Brewing Company and it's owned by Kirk Bangstad

2161

::

Tyler mentioned that banks dad has been criminally

2162

::

charged with stuff and here's what we know

2163

::

he was arrested

2164

::

in October 2024 on two counts of criminal defamation

2165

::

over a photoshopped image of the Lakeland

2166

::

Times publisher and general manager a judge

2167

::

dismissed those charges

2168

::

last August on lack of probable cause

2169

::

he was arrested

2170

::

again in June 2025 for harassment disorderly conduct

2171

::

and bail jumping

2172

::

after he and customers hurled profanities

2173

::

at that same publisher from outside his brewery

2174

::

in April the harassment and bail jumping charges

2175

::

were dropped

2176

::

and he was convicted of disorderly conduct

2177

::

on a no contest plea

2178

::

he's also been interviewed

2179

::

by the FBI and the Secret Service

2180

::

over his recent posts about Donald Trump

2181

::

but those interviews haven't LED to charges

2182

::

we talked about a possible connection between

2183

::

bangstad and the Democrat running

2184

::

against the Republican congressman in Tyler's district

2185

::

the relationship is a little bit different than what I think we said

2186

::

Rebecca Cook who is running

2187

::

against the Republican Derek Van Orden in

2188

::

Wisconsin's 3rd District previously

2189

::

worked as a campaign operative and fundraiser

2190

::

for bangstad

2191

::

and

2192

::

bangstad

2193

::

also ran for the Wisconsin State Assembly in 2020

2194

::

and in early may two days after the FBI visit

2195

::

he announced

2196

::

a run for Wisconsin governor in the democratic primary

2197

::

moving on to Charlie Kirk

2198

::

the defense court filing that we discussed was filed

2199

::

on March 27th and cites an ATF report

2200

::

saying that the bureau

2201

::

was unable to identify the bullet recovered at autopsy

2202

::

as having been fired from the rifle tied

2203

::

to Tyler Robinson so basically they said it was

2204

::

it it was technically

2205

::

inconclusive and so that's more nuance

2206

::

than what we really stated

2207

::

so that means they couldn't say the bullet

2208

::

matched and they couldn't rule it out either

2209

::

prosecutors say that Robinson's DNA

2210

::

was found on the trigger the rifle the spent casing

2211

::

two out of three unfired cartridges and the towel

2212

::

the rifle was wrapped in

2213

::

but the state accused the defense of misrepresenting

2214

::

the ATF report the preliminary hearing was pushed

2215

::

from May 18th to July 6th through 10th so it'll be after

2216

::

the fourth of July this year that we

2217

::

have any more real updates

2218

::

we also talked about the woods

2219

::

where the rifle was found being connected to palentine

2220

::

here's what I found when I dug around the property near

2221

::

the recovery point appears to be owned by an entity

2222

::

called

2223

::

6 8 3 Properties LLC so that's 683 Properties LLC

2224

::

there is a hedge fund called 683 Capital

2225

::

that holds Palantir stock

2226

::

but that is not the same as Palantir owning the land

2227

::

so there is a connection but it's

2228

::

maybe not straightforward and and it's not exactly

2229

::

what we said it was

2230

::

on the Butler shooting

2231

::

the there were several things we discussed that

2232

::

it could come across

2233

::

as conspiracy theories but they're actually

2234

::

documented and here's evidence about them

2235

::

Thomas Crock's body

2236

::

and he he was the shooter Thomas Crock

2237

::

was cremated about 10 days after the shooting

2238

::

and even Republican Congressman Clay Higgins

2239

::

criticized that publicly as obstruction of justice

2240

::

the FBI

2241

::

investigation officially closed in November 2025

2242

::

with no determined motive

2243

::

Tucker Carlson aired an investigation that month

2244

::

claiming that crooks had more of an online

2245

::

footprint than the FBI initially indicated

2246

::

and Republican task force members that

2247

::

included Congressman Pat Fallon

2248

::

say the bureau stonewalled their inquiry

2249

::

so the cause and effect framing is more contested

2250

::

but the underlying details are accurate

2251

::

also I think it's just like insane that we're

2252

::

citing Tucker Carlson is doing actual investigative

2253

::

journalism blows my mind

2254

::

um now about the Komi Instagram post

2255

::

that's the one that says 86 47 in seashells

2256

::

that he apparently

2257

::

came across didn't even write himself

2258

::

um

2259

::

the 47 refers to Donald Trump being the 47th president

2260

::

86 is restaurant slang for getting rid of something

2261

::

it has picked up and I think this is very recent

2262

::

some informal

2263

::

use meaning to eliminate someone but it's not

2264

::

from what I can tell a formal police code for murder

2265

::

and the Supreme Court case I was half

2266

::

remembering is Watts versus United States

2267

::

from 1969 where a man at an anti war rally

2268

::

said that if drafted he wanted LBJ

2269

::

in his rifle sights that that was the president

2270

::

Lyndon B Johnson in his rifle sights

2271

::

and the court ruled that political hyperbole

2272

::

isn't a true threat

2273

::

speaking of threats and free

2274

::

speech let's talk about free speech in Europe

2275

::

the whole picture

2276

::

of free speech in Europe is far more nuanced

2277

::

than we got into European countries

2278

::

do have constitutional free expression protections like

2279

::

Germany's Basic

2280

::

Law Article 5 or the European

2281

::

Convention on Human Rights Article 10

2282

::

they do have broader carve outs than we do especially

2283

::

around hate speech Holocaust denial and incitement

2284

::

the difference is one of scope not

2285

::

presence or existence

2286

::

so so the scope is different but they do

2287

::

have these laws similar to ours

2288

::

we also talked a little bit about a UK smoking ban

2289

::

the tobacco and Vapes Act got Royal assent

2290

::

on April 29th which was one day before we recorded

2291

::

the generational ban

2292

::

applies to anyone born on or after January 1st, 2009

2293

::

it penalizes retailers not buyers

2294

::

so the people purchasing

2295

::

are not punished for using tobacco at any age

2296

::

it's a tobacco sales ban for that generation

2297

::

vapes and nicotine pouches are regulated separately

2298

::

so the law is

2299

::

more complicated and layered than how we described it

2300

::

now about Nazism and socialism

2301

::

this was the longest exchange Tyler and I had

2302

::

and you know we clearly had disagreements about it

2303

::

here is what I can tell

2304

::

about what the mainstream historical view is

2305

::

for listeners who want the full picture

2306

::

it's that the socialist

2307

::

in the Nazi Party name functioned

2308

::

as populist recruitment label and that the regime

2309

::

crushed actual socialist communists and

2310

::

independent trade unions in fact you know that famous

2311

::

poem that says first they came for the socialists

2312

::

a lot of people hated socialists they weren't

2313

::

they they were a fringe group

2314

::

in in most communities around the time

2315

::

and they were an easy

2316

::

target and one of the things that the

2317

::

poem is about is that

2318

::

hey they came for the socialist first and nobody

2319

::

gave a fuck about the socialist so nobody cared um

2320

::

but Nazis did come for the actual socialists

2321

::

who were actually socialists not in just name only

2322

::

um

2323

::

they also went after um

2324

::

all these other groups like I said

2325

::

and some of the earliest concentration camp prisoners

2326

::

were a variety of political leftists

2327

::

just all kinds of different leftists

2328

::

um so to me if a party is going after supposed

2329

::

enemies and all those enemies

2330

::

are on one side of the spectrum like the radical left

2331

::

then that means that the one

2332

::

people who are going after them

2333

::

are probably all on the other side of the spectrum

2334

::

and are the radical right

2335

::

and that would not be truly socialist

2336

::

the regime privatized a number of state owned

2337

::

firms in the mid 1930s

2338

::

which is documented in peer reviewed economic history

2339

::

literature and you can

2340

::

you know go read about that and find out more about it

2341

::

historians generally describe

2342

::

the Nazi economy as a war or command economy

2343

::

or authoritarian capitalism rather than socialism

2344

::

and people can disagree with that consensus

2345

::

like you can interpret it different ways

2346

::

but listeners should know what that consensus is

2347

::

on marijuana rescheduling

2348

::

a DEA final order moved FDA approved marijuana

2349

::

drug products

2350

::

and state medical license marijuana from Schedule 1

2351

::

to Schedule 3 which was effective

2352

::

April 28th two days before we recorded

2353

::

it followed Trump's executive order

2354

::

god this is a long number

2355

::

for an executive order just shows how many there are

2356

::

14,370 from December

2357

::

and it's a narrow rescheduling not full legalization

2358

::

the hemp loophole

2359

::

was closed by the Continuing Appropriations Act of 2026

2360

::

which was the funding Bill that ended

2361

::

last November's government shutdown

2362

::

um and maybe we need to talk about that

2363

::

another time cause I've heard that

2364

::

that really has messed

2365

::

with a lot of hemp related businesses that popped up

2366

::

when that loophole was strong

2367

::

there are a couple other things I wanna touch on

2368

::

the divers we discussed are from the 2022 Paria

2369

::

diving disaster at the Paria Fuel Trading Company

2370

::

facility in Trinidad and Tobago

2371

::

five divers were pulled into a 30 inch pipeline

2372

::

and four divers died

2373

::

the survivor was named Christopher Budrum

2374

::

and he crawled through the pipe for nearly three hours

2375

::

before being pulled out

2376

::

um

2377

::

oh Joseph McCarthy was a US

2378

::

senator from Wisconsin he was the asshole that

2379

::

that did the whole Mccarthyism stuff that's where

2380

::

McCarthy comes from Mccarthyism is

2381

::

because of Joseph McCarthy being an asshole um

2382

::

being an asshole in the way Joseph

2383

::

McCarthy is means you are Mccarthyish

2384

::

I guess I don't know

2385

::

and um the US closed the gold window in August 1971

2386

::

so that's all the corrections clarifications

2387

::

that I wanted to touch on thanks for

2388

::

listening to all of them if you are still here

2389

::

and next week's episode

2390

::

if I can get it out in a week which I think I can this time

2391

::

uh is gonna be more deep on rights

2392

::

and I'm excited to let y'all hear it so don't miss out

2393

::

and take good care of yourself

2394

::

and I hope you go out and learn something new

2395

::

if not from this podcast from somewhere else

2396

::

thanks and have a good day

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Schindler's Gist is hosted by Martha Jean Schindler, an organizer and independent journalist, and the woman who ran for mayor of a deep-red Georgia city and got a third of the vote. Each episode cuts through the noise on politics, local power, and the systems designed to keep regular people confused and compliant.
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Martha Jean Schindler

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Martha Jean Schindler is a political organizer and strategist who focuses on turning frustration into action.

Based in Georgia, she leads North Georgia CAN, where she works to build community power, support people directly impacted by policy decisions, and help everyday people get involved in ways that actually matter.

Her approach is grounded in clarity and honesty. She doesn’t believe in performative politics or empty messaging. She cares about what works, what helps people, and what moves the needle.

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